Racism in the game - BBC3

[gladgarethhasgone]

i watched a programme on BBC3 last night presented by Clarke Carlisle. he basically try to find out how bad rasicm was in the english game and how it compared to other countries.

the programme raised some good points and did show how the game has progressed in england and how it is winning the battle against rasicm slowly but surely.

i really enjoyed the programme up until he had an interview with John Barnes. at this point Clarke was trying to understand why 25% of players are black but there are only 3 black people in managerial roles. John Barnes tried to say this is due to 'passive racism' and this is why he could not get a job for 8 years after his first managerial role only lasted 8 months.

my arguement is that although you may have been a great player, Barnes, you were a shocking manager. nothing to do with your race John, you just didn't cut it. he is now heading a campaign of some form so that for every managerial job a 'quota' of black and ethnic minority people are interviewed. again i don't see this working. surely a club employs the person they see as being the most successful person to take the club forward? why would a chairman say he is the best guy and will help me fatten my pockets but cos he is black we will go for someone else? its ludacris to say that. i think Barnes is jsut bitter.

anyway did anyone else see the programme? what are your views on it?

[Ever_the_optimist]

Didn't see the programme but will try and catch it on iplayer, sounded really interesting and well worth a watch. This is the same John Barnes that sided with Liverpool over the whole Louis Suarez incident. As you say, great player but some mixed messages there.

Will try to catch the programme though so I can give a more informed opinion!

[starbuy]

I didn't see it but from personal experience I see two things that matter.

1: Racism is still out there in varying forms and although it doesn't tend to raise it's ugly head as much, people still harbor a dislike of other races.

2: Education is key. I don't think the idea of quotas works because it just turns it the other way round and makes employers HAVE to take on a percentage of ethnic minorities which in turn means we're still distinguishing a person by their colour. The only answer is education and punishment. Education is going to be slow but it is worth it for our future. Punishment is the only way to stop people from allowing it to control a part of somebody's life in the present.

I do however think it is important for the likes of John Barnes to continue to raise questions and keep us all honest because people do have to understand that it is still out there and we haven't beat it by a long shot.

[gladgarethhasgone]

(17-07-2012 09:08 AM)starbuy Wrote:  I didn't see it but from personal experience I see two things that matter.

1: Racism is still out there in varying forms and although it doesn't tend to raise it's ugly head as much, people still harbor a dislike of other races.

2: Education is key. I don't think the idea of quotas works because it just turns it the other way round and makes employers HAVE to take on a percentage of ethnic minorities which in turn means we're still distinguishing a person by their colour. The only answer is education and punishment. Education is going to be slow but it is worth it for our future. Punishment is the only way to stop people from allowing it to control a part of somebody's life in the present.

I do however think it is important for the likes of John Barnes to continue to raise questions and keep us all honest because people do have to understand that it is still out there and we haven't beat it by a long shot.

to be fair Clarke clearly states there is racism in the game but we are heading in the right direction. Barnes seemed really bitter. if you can then catch it on iplayer. i just think that people who use racism as an excuse as to why things are not going for them as bad as racism itself.

[smogsterking the Inspiration]

I saw the John Barnes bit and I think his sort of comments stir up racial tension. Maybe there should be more black managers in the game but they should earn their roles on merit rather than race.
I don't want to get to turn this into a massive debate again as I'm sure we had this a few months ago when they were discussing a similar subject about ensuring there is a black manager interviewed for every role available or something along those lines

[Barticus]

I watched it last night and was under the impression John Barnes was using the race card as an excuse for his lack of managerial opportunities, I'm with gladdis, it was nothing to do with colour but ability, he had loads as a footballer but very little as a manager, ask any Celtic fan, I think the racism in football thing isn't helped by this sort of argument, they can't keep playing the race card to explain unfavourable decisions, From what i've seen on TV (which I know is not wholly accurate) we are by far advanced than any other country when it comes to stopping racist behaviour though I think sometimes it goes too far, why is it OK for fans to cheer that Tracy Andrews is a true blue (Birmingham) for killing an Aston Villa fan (road rage incident) and numerous chants about sex and other footballers discretions but you cant call a coloured footballer whose not trying the slightest a lazy B***** bastard, you can call him every other name under the sun, Paedo etc but cant mention his skin, I dont think of myself as racist but when we cant call a blackboard a blackboard but instead a chalkboard I think things are just plane Crazy, Like I said I don't think of myself a racist but I will apologise up front if I've upset anyone with my comments, these are just some of my views on it.

[boroinbishop]

i did a peice of coursework/research on the issue of diversity in sport (think i still have th epeice if anyone is interested in reading it, just let me know and i'll try dig it out) and some of it is down actual biological differences in the bodies in different races (not so much for management) the management statistcis can be put down to two things a) sterotype channeling B) principle of stacking

A) we all know what steoyping is, channeling is just well, the channelling of it lol, A leads on to B, which is more of a consequence of A, we all know what this is, it applies to football in that managers are often ex players however due to the principle of stacking (e.g positions being filled by certain races, such as forwards have far more representation of blacks than the U.K population and central midfielders often being white) this is because it is beleived as a stereotype that the white european is cleverer than a black player making the people who appoint managers sub-conciously pick these candidates over say black ex-players, not saying it's morally right but if you look at the results of various research the conclusion is clear that this is true.

that's it in short without going back to my research

[Badger in Asia]

Rasism is a very good point (politically) at IMHOP is a scapegoet.

Lets face it the truth of the problem with football at the moment is it is wrotten to the core.

Dropba, Ronaldo = cheats (big heros's for most of the world) and some of the best payed people in the world

Seb Batter = enough said

it USED to anger me when people USED to call football (SOCCER) and " slagged it off" as a bunch of winging cheats rolling on the floor with no guts

Now i do not make a stand anymore RIP

Badger in Asia

[Block53]

John Barnes your not a loser it's just that everybody's racist;

[richmfc]

barnes was rubbish at celtic, he eventually got the tranmere job and was rubbish at that , whats that got to do with colour. and making every club interview a percentage of black candidates is something brussells usually comes out with not someone like john barnes.
its the same as having to advertise a job to outsiders when youve already got someone lined up , it just wastes everyones time and money